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washington insiders. because they think that they're going to be doing this down to the very last minute. >> i know you were dismayed saying that typically behind the scenes, at least, they're cutting some deals, and you felt that watching here and what you're talking about is exactly what's happening. >> people who are in on the discussion zoraida told me yesterday that what we're seeing play out is what's playing out. there's no back channel negotiation. there's no -- we're seeing it play out in real time and that's -- that's actually a little bit frightening. and because of this, there's something else that's happening i want to tell you about. oracle is the latest company that says it's going to pay out dividends to its shareholders early to avoid higher investment taxes next year. this means a pay day early for investors. mom and pop investors, too. you're going to get a dividend before the end of the year. dividends currently are taxed at 15%. in 2013 if we fall off the fiscal cliff, dividends will
washington insiders. because they think that they're going to be doing this down to the very last minute. >> i know you were dismayed saying that typically behind the scenes, at least, they're cutting some deals, and you felt that watching here and what you're talking about is exactly what's happening. >> people who are in on the discussion zoraida told me yesterday that what we're seeing play out is what's playing out. there's no back channel negotiation. there's no -- we're seeing...
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brianna keilar is live from washington. what now, brianna? >> well, right now it's about the pressure building and the clock kicking, zoraida. as house republicans in the white house try to ultimately broker a deal between two very different plans. house speaker john boehner's counteroffer, if you take a look at the headlines from this $800 billion in what would be savings from tax reform. so that is new tax revenue. but not done by increasing income tax rate on the wealthiest. but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other entitlements, that's $ 00 billion less than in the speaker's counteroffer a
brianna keilar is live from washington. what now, brianna? >> well, right now it's about the pressure building and the clock kicking, zoraida. as house republicans in the white house try to ultimately broker a deal between two very different plans. house speaker john boehner's counteroffer, if you take a look at the headlines from this $800 billion in what would be savings from tax reform. so that is new tax revenue. but not done by increasing income tax rate on the wealthiest. but...
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let's keep this in washington. because it is in the beltway where the republican side of the argument makes the most apparent sense. there's no suspense in how washington, d.c. is going to vote in the election. but in the real world, out in the rest of the country, the president just won reelection and his party, the democrats picked up seats in the house and senate at the same time. before this election, which the democrats did very well and the republicans did not do well, before this election happened, the republican speaker of the house john boehner had proposed that revenues should be raised by this much. this was his pre-election offer. after the election, which his party lost, after contesting on these grounds, after the election where his side lost, look at his new offer. now he's offering this much new revenue. his offer has gotten worse. you cannot have what i offered you before the election. what election? that's how the republican house speaker is playing the game this week. maybe in the world of the be
let's keep this in washington. because it is in the beltway where the republican side of the argument makes the most apparent sense. there's no suspense in how washington, d.c. is going to vote in the election. but in the real world, out in the rest of the country, the president just won reelection and his party, the democrats picked up seats in the house and senate at the same time. before this election, which the democrats did very well and the republicans did not do well, before this...
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jeff, what do you make of what's going on in washington? i'm most interested in the fact that the markets have lost the volatili volatility. we're not seeing the markets respond to every single statement that comes out of washington right now. what do you make of that? >> i think it's the same washington waltz we saw last year. they didn't extend the bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good network on the hill. i think they're going to have some kind of staged in agreement and then agree to attack the entitlement situation in the new year. >> michael, what do you make of what's going on? how do you try and trade this? at least we had some volatility the traders could trade on. now we don't have that. >> i think the lower volatility is telling you this is an extremely resilient stock market. i've been calling this the rocky balboa stock market. the entire scenario playing out is the fiscal cliff ends up being bullish no matter what. spending cu
jeff, what do you make of what's going on in washington? i'm most interested in the fact that the markets have lost the volatili volatility. we're not seeing the markets respond to every single statement that comes out of washington right now. what do you make of that? >> i think it's the same washington waltz we saw last year. they didn't extend the bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good...
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it seemed at that moment when the s&p was trading there were policy makeers in washington, d.c., responded to the market. pelosi talked about the market on that friday, and that's where the encouragement came. i think where we sit now the market is going to force the hand of d.c. policymakers. i still think we get a fiscal deal cliff done. the data we saw yesterday was lousy. the employment component was the worst we've seen since september. i think on friday we're going to get a horrible unemployment report. i think the market is going to force the hand here to get a deal done. this is a tactical call. >> joe has gone a little sour on the market. where do you stand today? >> i'm going to stay as pos 0 tiff as a week ago. you look at the s&p and that's why i will stay positive. sitting around 1407. it broke through key levels and has moved back higher. 1425 on the s&p for an area to break above. so i think i will agree with joe, though, that right now with the data you have seen, with the ism number you saw yesterday, washington has to get something done. i think a deal will get done and t
it seemed at that moment when the s&p was trading there were policy makeers in washington, d.c., responded to the market. pelosi talked about the market on that friday, and that's where the encouragement came. i think where we sit now the market is going to force the hand of d.c. policymakers. i still think we get a fiscal deal cliff done. the data we saw yesterday was lousy. the employment component was the worst we've seen since september. i think on friday we're going to get a horrible...
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think that you saw net long exposure widen out and get into the 50s but with the rhetoric coming out of washington now if you asked me three weeks ago if i thought a deal was going to get done i would have said yes. it does seem like a chicken fight here towards the end. if a deal does not get done that will have a very negative effect on markets. that is our opinion reflected on a lot of the long short guide. i don't think you are going to see some major pop in hedge fund performance coming into the last three weeks. >> it is tim. i think the pressure comes the year after they have had a bad year and guys like you who allocate the edge funds know that. you will probably be patient with a guy who maybe has a down year but he has to be there when the market turns. brazil that is a place where emerging markets have under performed. and the hunt for yield is another part of the question. we had yields all around the world. shouldn't this be an equity catalyst where guys have to reach for a more aggressive asset class because bonds just aren't doing it? >> there is no question that brazil will be the
think that you saw net long exposure widen out and get into the 50s but with the rhetoric coming out of washington now if you asked me three weeks ago if i thought a deal was going to get done i would have said yes. it does seem like a chicken fight here towards the end. if a deal does not get done that will have a very negative effect on markets. that is our opinion reflected on a lot of the long short guide. i don't think you are going to see some major pop in hedge fund performance coming...
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it will be redistributed to washington and burned at the same time. neil: they are takinghe money right now and running in case of oracle you can almost see how much is means to larry, if is gets to 40 plus% percent he will take that money and get it now cheaper. >> i think what is mised there is no real place where you can get decent income right now, you can't buy bonds, you get 1 or 2%, you can't put in in the bank, coming back to something businesses those who mak 300,000, i extended a conference, they put cars, and trucks on the road, education to be technology people, they 56 pick water leaks, if they have extra income they can get from star stock ma, they will buy another truck and fix more water leaks, if you don't need food or energy, you don't have to worry about water, but most people do need food and energy, you take water, you are depleting our source of water quite literally, and making it very difficu, there are people, that will directly be affected in the sense, people that bottom 20%, that have high school education that will not get
it will be redistributed to washington and burned at the same time. neil: they are takinghe money right now and running in case of oracle you can almost see how much is means to larry, if is gets to 40 plus% percent he will take that money and get it now cheaper. >> i think what is mised there is no real place where you can get decent income right now, you can't buy bonds, you get 1 or 2%, you can't put in in the bank, coming back to something businesses those who mak 300,000, i extended...
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with the way politics in washington are today, there would still be slavery. lincoln wouldn't have been able to navigate the polarization between the media. it was an interesting and depressing observation from this very smart white house aide. >> sean: sadly, neither the language from the white house or the celebratory manner that it was being reported from those that revel in this comment come at all as a surprise. here is the reaction from mike myers and i took him to say republic, but the sentiment is the same, and that is it's a divided nation. you know with these republicans, what's your reaction? >> the rhetoric never seeses to astonish me. it used to be in the old days which wasn't too long ago you had rhetoric, no justice, no peace coming from the streets. now you get this racial rhetoric coming from the pun bits on nbc. back to bob costas, he was quoting a newspaper comyu newspt who compared the nra to the new kkk. so much racial rhetoric, it has to be condemned. where are the voices. >> this is the same as susan rice. it's a war on women, and it's t
with the way politics in washington are today, there would still be slavery. lincoln wouldn't have been able to navigate the polarization between the media. it was an interesting and depressing observation from this very smart white house aide. >> sean: sadly, neither the language from the white house or the celebratory manner that it was being reported from those that revel in this comment come at all as a surprise. here is the reaction from mike myers and i took him to say republic, but...
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i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. the republicans have their plan, and it's great news for the rich. speaker john boehner just put it out. those at the top, the 2%, are safe. your bush tax cuts are going to keep on giving. one problem, mr. boehner, you lost. that was your position before the election, and you lost. mitt romney campaigned on keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy, and he lost. and he promised to do what john boehner is doing right now, and he lost. how about some respect for the electorate? how about seeing what the 2012 presidential debate was about? obama championed tax fairness and won. republicans championed protecting that 2%, ignoring the 47% he talked about, and they lost. today boehner said he's willing to raise revenues by the same amount he agreed to back in august of 2011, the last time they had this fight. again, he's willing to act like the election never happened. no wonder. again, he lost. joining me is joy reid of the grio and howard fineman of the "huffington post." joy, you're chuckling
i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. the republicans have their plan, and it's great news for the rich. speaker john boehner just put it out. those at the top, the 2%, are safe. your bush tax cuts are going to keep on giving. one problem, mr. boehner, you lost. that was your position before the election, and you lost. mitt romney campaigned on keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy, and he lost. and he promised to do what john boehner is doing right now, and he lost....
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when we come back here in washington, time is running out for lawmakers to strike a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. negotiations appear to be turning much more into a game of political brinksmanship. both parties pointing the finger at the other. we're keeping them honest next. what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection....
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this is a clear attempt on the part of the republican leadership to punish those in washington who vote the way they promised their constituents they would. conservative blogger eric erickson on his blog writing on the same day john boehner, eric cantor and kevin mccarthy punished those for standing up for their convictions sold out their own convictions. erickson wasn't the only 0 group. calling it an $800 billion tax hike. the most conservative media outlets have been in boehner's camp, conservative organizations have a lot of sway with some members. bane earp does not want a full fledged rebellion. a few things to keep in mind. number one, any thought boehner didn't believe he had more control over his conference this time than he did two years ago should be set aside. cantor and mccarthy having his back. he only has to worry if somebody is high profile were somehow to challenge his standing with house republicans. that's not the case. they were in concert on this. does it mean -- send a signal to the white house that this time what boehner says and negotiates goes though it may not
this is a clear attempt on the part of the republican leadership to punish those in washington who vote the way they promised their constituents they would. conservative blogger eric erickson on his blog writing on the same day john boehner, eric cantor and kevin mccarthy punished those for standing up for their convictions sold out their own convictions. erickson wasn't the only 0 group. calling it an $800 billion tax hike. the most conservative media outlets have been in boehner's camp,...
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you can tell us what's going on in washington. what's going on in washington? >> bad dynamics. >> really? >> those of us optimistic there'd be a deal. the white house has blasted boehner's offer as much as the republicans blasted the president's. people like to say, oh, they're going to posture, but behind the scenes they're working it out. they're not. >> i hear chuck todd reported yesterday behind the scenes a top aide to barack obama, willie geist. and this -- i don't -- i'm not really good at reading the tea leaves. maybe this is good, maybe this is bad. but a top obama aide yesterday told chuck todd that if the republicans -- if these republicans were in power when abraham lincoln were there, there would still be slavery. does that help the process move along? or does it hurt? i don't really know -- >> reading between the lines. >> i know one direction, i know boy bands. >> reading between the lines, that's probably a bad omen. we do have four weeks, though. >> that's bad. >> absolutely. we have, i believe, we have 27 negotiating days. until the year end.
you can tell us what's going on in washington. what's going on in washington? >> bad dynamics. >> really? >> those of us optimistic there'd be a deal. the white house has blasted boehner's offer as much as the republicans blasted the president's. people like to say, oh, they're going to posture, but behind the scenes they're working it out. they're not. >> i hear chuck todd reported yesterday behind the scenes a top aide to barack obama, willie geist. and this -- i don't...